Orchestra II vs Orchestra Lite: which needs more amplifier?

The Kiwi Ears Orchestra II is 15Ω at 110.0 dB/mW; the Kiwi Ears Orchestra Lite is 16Ω at 112.0 dB (no reference unit printed). This page is only about what they ask of an amplifier — not how they sound, which no specification on either sheet can tell you.

The Orchestra II needs 2.0 dB more than the Orchestra Lite to reach the same loudness — 0.10 mW against 0.06 mW.

The numbers that decide it

SpecificationOrchestra IIOrchestra Lite
Impedance15 Ω16 Ω
Sensitivity110.0 dB/mW112.0 dB
Sensitivity (voltage)128.2 dB/V130.0 dB/V
Power for 100 dB0.10 mW0.06 mW
Voltage for 100 dB39 mV32 mV
Current for 100 dB2.6 mA2.0 mA
Highest source impedance
that leaves them alone (one-eighth rule)
1.88 Ω2.00 Ω
Sources that reach 100 dB
out of 280
280280

One caution before reading the rows. Kiwi Ears Orchestra Lite printed a decibel figure with no reference unit, so this page reads it as per milliwatt. If it is really per volt, that model needs far more than the table says. Why the two readings differ by so much.

Where the two part company

Every source in the database that drives one of them drives the other. On power, the choice between these two changes nothing about what amplifier you need.

3 sources are low enough in output impedance for the Orchestra Lite under the one-eighth rule but not for the Orchestra II (Astell&Kern HC3, RME Fireface UFX II, RME Fireface UFX III).

5 sources stay below the audible-hiss threshold with the Orchestra II but cross it with the Orchestra Lite (Fosi Audio SK02, FiiO M15S, FiiO K19, 2 more).

280 of the 280 sources here reach 100 dB on both. That count is about power only — the output-impedance and hiss lines above are separate questions, and a source can pass this one and fail those.

What each one needs from 80 to 105 dB

The gap between these two in decibels does not change with volume — it is a property of the two headphones. What changes is the size of the numbers, and it changes fast: every 10 dB costs ten times the power. The row that matters is the one nearest the level you listen at, and for most people that is nearer the top of this table than the bottom.

The Orchestra II is more demanding than 6% of the 567 non-electrostatic models in this database; the Orchestra Lite than 4%. Both figures use the same measure as the rest of the site: whichever runs out first against a 2 V, 100 mW dongle, voltage or power.

dB SPLOrchestra II powerOrchestra II voltageOrchestra Lite powerOrchestra Lite voltage
801.0 µW4 mV0.6 µW3 mV
853.2 µW7 mV2.0 µW6 mV
900.01 mW12 mV6.3 µW10 mV
950.03 mW22 mV0.02 mW18 mV
1000.10 mW39 mV0.06 mW32 mV
1050.32 mW69 mV0.20 mW57 mV

105 dB is included because forum power figures are usually quoted there or higher. It is also a level that damages hearing in minutes — how many minutes is its own calculator.

The cheapest source that satisfies both

SourcePriceHeadroom, Orchestra IIHeadroom, Orchestra LiteOutput impedanceNoise
JadeAudio JA11$2021.5 dB23.8 dB0.5 Ω1.7 µV
FiiO KA11$2933.6 dB35.9 dB0.7 Ω1.7 µV
FiiO BTR13$5930.5 dB32.8 dB0.6 Ω1.0 µV

Of the 280 sources here, 280 reach 100 dB on both. That is the easy axis. 49 of them also publish an output impedance low enough for both under the one-eighth rule and a noise figure that stays below the audible-hiss threshold with both — the rest either fail one of those or never printed the number at all, and 208 of them are in the second group.

The cheapest of the 49 is the JadeAudio JA11, at $20. It leaves 21.5 dB of headroom on the Orchestra II and 23.8 dB on the Orchestra Lite, its output impedance is 0.5 Ω against a one-eighth limit of 1.88 Ω and 2.00 Ω, and its noise figure puts the hiss floor 7 dB and 5 dB below the 20 dB SPL this site treats as the point where a quiet room stops hiding it.

Cheapest that satisfies three published numbers is not the same as best, and none of it is about how either headphone sounds. To put either model against a source this page does not mention, or to change the target loudness, use the amplifier matcher.

What each sheet prints, and what it is worth

ModelAs printedToleranceStandard
Orchestra II20Hz-20KHznot printednot printed
Orchestra Litenothing printed——

Kiwi Ears prints 20Hz-20KHz for the Orchestra II and nothing at all for the Orchestra Lite.

Orchestra Lite: The spec table prints impedance, sensitivity, drivers and cable only. The page describes the curve in prose ("sub-bass peaking at 8 dB from 20 Hz to 200 Hz") and shows a graph, but prints no frequency range.

So one side of this comparison has a frequency-response number and the other does not — which changes less than it looks. The range printed for the Orchestra II comes with no tolerance beside it, and a range without a ±dB figure says nothing about how loud the headphone is at either end of it: thirty decibels down at the bottom and the sentence would still be true. On the only reading that would have made it a specification, the two sheets say the same amount: nothing.

None of this is a measurement. What each maker publishes, and what it is worth, is set out in the frequency response audit.

Both pages in full

Each model has a page of its own with the full source list, the hiss estimate and the provenance of every figure above: Kiwi Ears Orchestra II and Kiwi Ears Orchestra Lite. Each figure on this page is labelled on those pages with where it came from, including the ones Kiwi Ears never published — what that maker publishes, counted.

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